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My Initial Reactions to Obama BC Disclosure

 

Is the "silliness" over, as our thin-skinned and insufferably arrogant Prez characterized the BC issue today? Yes. The "silliness" is over.

But, is the eligibility issue settled? Nope!

Why?

Without rehashing what should be--but clearly isn't--obvious to the dissembling press and to both Obama sycophants and defenders, the founders understood that for one to be a "natural born citizen", words which appear only in the Presidential Clause of the Constitution, one needs to have been born within the jurisdiction of the US (jus soli) AND AND AND be born of US citizen parents (jus sanguinis). At a minimum, to be a natural born citizen a person's father, from whom a person's nationality is derived (per E. Vattel's Law of Nations to which our framers subscribed) must have been a US citizen, this to preclude what the framers believed to be the awful prospect of a president with dual citizenship and loyalties.

His father was a Kenyan, a British subject, at the time of Barack's birth. Period.

So, assuming that the long form birth certificate FINALLY disclosed by the White House today is the real thing, and I have no reason to believe that it isn't, we've still only solved half the riddle.

In all the mealy-mouthed and deliberately mendacious MSM discussions about the elusive birth certificate, what has continually been lost in the cacaphony is the central issue of "natural born citizenship". Like many others who had reasonable doubts about Obama's place of birth, I had always felt that even if he had been born on the White House balcony, his presidential eligibility remained in serious constitutional doubt. And so it does today. Nothing has really changed.

In my humble estimation, what Obama, aka Mr. Transparency, intended to pull off today was a clever and cyncial ploy to fatally undermine the credibility of the so-called "birthers", thus shutting down all further probes into his background (education, associations) which still remain shrouded in needless mystery and disturbing suspicion.

And one other lingering question which I'm sure few want to hear: did he legally lose his US citizenship when he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro in Indonesia? And if so, was his US citizenship properly restored upon his return to the USA? I still don't know the answer to this unsettling question. And until I do, this constitutional issue remains very much alive.

One interesting side note: all along, many detractors on the right (like Karl Rove, among others) speculated that Barry, the quintessential political thug that he is, would deliberately keep the birth certificate issue alive until he was able to divulge the certificate at a politically sensitive moment in his re-election campaign, this to utterly destroy the credibility of the birthers on the left, right and in the middle. Well, even Barry understood that this festering BC issue was weighing heavily against him, and he also knew that it was becoming increasingly more difficult to stop further probing unless he made a big show of disclosing his BC. Thus, his precipitous and haughty disclousre of his BC today which he hopes will effectively end any further questions about his murky background and eligibility.

And you know what?  Sadly enough, this strategy just might work. Enough Americans might actually believe that birthers are nothing more than pesky, wild-eyed conspiratorial theorists blinded by their loathing of Obama, his race and his leftist ideology, and that Obama's integrity and virtue have been unfairly sullied by these brigands. Well, he can hope that's what most Americans will believe. But, if I were he I wouldn't count on it.

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Comment by Sandra on April 27, 2011 at 8:36pm
Right on Gordon, I stopped almost a year ago. My electric means more to me that wasting it on lies..
Comment by Gordon Ray Kissinger on April 27, 2011 at 8:01pm

Sandra, 

Don't all those newscasters, political pundits and expert analysis’s (so-called), make you laugh. They’re sure attempting to spin the story away as totally resolved. Why would anybody continue to listen to these worthless idiots?
Comment by Sandra on April 27, 2011 at 7:52pm
It is a fake.
He is a fake.
The whole damned bunch posing as the US gov't are fakes.
 
Focusing on one thing is to miss everything else, all just as and more, important.
 
What can I say?  The story is a straw man, snake oil and the good people are lining up to swallow it down.
Comment by Gordon Ray Kissinger on April 27, 2011 at 7:27pm
Comment by Gordon Ray Kissinger on April 27, 2011 at 6:31pm
April 27 at 2:56pm   
RESOLUTION

Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.

Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a `natural born Citizen' of the United States;

Whereas the term `natural born Citizen', as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;

Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to Americans serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their country's President;

Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the `natural born Citizen' clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congress's own statute defining the term `natural born Citizen';


Whereas the well-being of all citizens of the United States is preserved and enhanced by the men and women who are assigned to serve our country outside of our national borders;

Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President; and

Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen' under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.

http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c110%3A3%3A.%2Ftemp%2F%7Ec110...
 
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As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.'s children:

British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.
. Every person who, having been born outside Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall, if his father becomes, or would but for his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1), become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963.

As a citizen of the UKC who was born in Kenya, Obama's father automatically received Kenyan citizenship via subsection (1). So given that Obama qualified for citizen of the UKC status at birth and given that Obama's father became a Kenyan citizen via subsection (1), it follows that Obama did in fact have Kenyan citizenship after 1963. So The Rocky Mountain News was at least partially correct.

A natural born citizen under Art II Sec I , Senate res 511 Apr 30th 2008 clarifies tyat both parents ( plural - mother and father ) must be natural citizen.
Both parents must be natural born citizens. Very clear!



http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c110%3A3%3A.%2Ftemp%2F~c110H1...

Co-Sponsor of the Bill? Barack Hussein Obama - Senator for Illinois! 

A LIVE BIRTH CERTIFICATE   testifies that a child was born live. Does not confers nationality, does not demand information about the doctor who was at birth or  the hospital. Requires only mother's info.

See the birth certificate you have: gives the hospital name, the Live Birth certificate does not request that
                                                  the doctor's name is necessary on a birth certificate.

More...

There was a grain of truth to what the Rocky Mountain News reported, though understanding why requires a brief history lesson.

When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom's dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.'s children:
British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.

papa Obama never became an American Citizen nor applied for citizenship here. All he wanted was to keep being a foreign student here, so that he can benefit from the lifestyle here and our freedoms , while proselytizing communism in our colleges to easily impressionable young people.

 
Watch the video

http://youtu.be/WJlHfTEvlCY


Now.... let's find a tree with strong branches and let's get ropes
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"A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue then will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader." --Samuel Adams, letter to James Warren, 1779

Pursuant to Title 17 U.S.C. 107, (otherwise known as the Fair Use Doctrine) this posting is provided for educational purposes, research, critical comment, or debate without profit or payment.



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     Surely something must be terribly wrong with a man who seems to be far more concerned with a Jew building a house or an extra room in Israel than with a Muslim building a nuclear bomb in Iran

Comment by Worried Grammie on April 27, 2011 at 5:56pm
After the first two minutes of Mr. Question with Boldness tonight, I had to fire off an email to him telling him he has no credibility with me and many in my area anymore.  Then, I turned to the Weather Channel to see when we are going to get hit again here in S. Central KY.  No more Beck for me!
Comment by Worried Grammie on April 27, 2011 at 4:44pm
Hear, Hear!!!  I think this will backfire on him, as there are too many unknowns about him and his background and we will not let it drop - and I pray Trump doesn't either!!

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