NEVER TOLERATE TYRANNY!....Conservative voices from the GRASSROOTS.
Regarding the nature of this hallowed union of States, Americans must never, ever forget how the Founders viewed this union and the States which comprise it.
In all of my research over the years, there has been no evidence that the myopic notion of union at any price was ever conceived of or in any way embraced by the Founders. In fact, there's considerable evidence that the Founders viewed the very concept of indivisibility as dangerous. The States’ inherent right to secede, to interpose, to resist an overreaching central government remains as unmistakable, unambiguous and unalienable today as it was in 1787.
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Thanks Jim.
We clearly agree that case law and precedent--and most certainly the bloody clash of arms in 1861--has acutely influenced how Americans think about secession. That said, the framers and ratifiers are THE experts, and it is to their words we must be faithful.
Also, secession doesn't pre-ordain a clash of arms or a hostile marginalization by non-secessionists. We've come a long way since 1861, and it is impossible for me to believe that today secession would automatically trigger blood and gore. We're just not made that way. Conditions are so totally different now than they were in 1861. And, even if it did precipitate a bloody conflict, well, so what? So long as our sovereignty and liberty are safeguarded, it would be well worth it.
Finally, and despite what any of us think about secession, my sense is that our days as a union are probably numbered anyway. Today, the political, ideological, cultural and lingustic divisions are so pronounced that to expect the union to hold together in perpetuity under these divisive circumstances is, at best, wishful thinking. The founders foresaw this eventuality and did not shrink from it. What union in history has ever survived in intact in perpetuity? Why should we expect to be an exception. Again, the founders anticipated that as the nation became more unwieldy, divisive and ungovernable as a "republic", that the natural course would entail a break-up, this to retain the benefits of republicanism on an individual State or confederate basis and to prevent authoritarianism on a national level.
LIke the so-called "civil war", all the force of arms can accompish is a military victory--not an abrogation of foundational constitutional principles like secession, nullification and rebellion.
Looks like you and I are the only folks interested in this topic. Thanks for weighing in.
Our hearts are in the same place Jim. I wish our nation as it now stands could reference the original constitution and be able say, "this" is why we live as we do. But we can't.
There have been thousands of pieces of legislation written since the constitution became the operational law of our land. Those legislative efforts have ultimately, hundreds of times, been examined by our supreme court and been found to be "constitutional" even when on their face they couldn't be FOUND in the constitution. Thousands of laws stand on the books as congressional law of the land but have no constitutional authority as amendments. It has made no difference, our country uses them as though they are part and parcel of the constitution.
The point is that a State in today's world would have little success staying alive without being a cooperative part of the rest of the United States. Neighboring States would no longer have to treat a seceded State as an equal. The Federal Government would HAVE to treat a seceded state as an alien enemy bent on monopoly of it's own authority and power. The seceded State would have to have a constitution all it's own probably conflicting with the US constitution over the very change in law that made the State secede in the first place. There would be blood. I'm sure of it.
Philip,
Getting lawyers involved would definitely muddy the waters.They have a nasty habit of doing just that. Afterall, lawyers are trained how to win arguments, and not how to understand the original meaning and intent of the Constitution. Most lawyers I know readily admit to knowing precious little about the Constitution itself. Their understanding of law is almost exclusively based on case law precedents, many of which have proven to be notoriously revisionist and faulty. Anyway, we can avoid the muddle of lawyers by remembering that the framers and ratifiers clearly asserted that "the people of each State in convention" are the ultimate authority in this federal system of governance. So, in deciding our political fate, if it's a choice between adhering to the contrived opinions of lawyers or to the straight-up decision of We the People, we should always opt for the latter. From my readings, there was no misunderstanding among the framers about the principle of secession. Truth is that without the assurance of a right to secede, the US Constitution would not have been ratified.
Jim, in MY humble opinion secession would be a political argument that would last years and would involve thousands of the highest grade lawyers to be found anywhere and would most likely turn violent if a State refused to continue it's responsibilities to the union.
As an example of the degree to which we can argue even the most minute of issues , I give you the "hanging chad".
As for secession being a non-violent exercise in States Rights, compare secession to the right to use rain water.
Philip,
My sense is that the very act of secession would be sufficient clarification. And remember that secession needn't be a violent, bloody act of resistance. In fact, given the demographic situation these days, I am certain that an act of secession, while politically unsettling to the power elite, would be entirely peaceful. I can't even imagine that such a foundational constitutional act would plunge the nation into another civil war. But, whether peaceful or not, and I still think the act would be peaceful, reasserting state sovereignty and safeguarding individual liberties trump our accommodating an overweaning, possibly tyrannical federal authority.
The civil war points out the necessity to clarify that there should be an enumerated secession amendment and why.
edhilip,
According to the founders, those unenumerated powers/rights not specifically delegated by the States to the federal government are residual powers left to the States and We the People. The 9th & 10th Amendments affirm the right to secede. Thus, a "secession amendment" would be redundant.
Our nation and it's people have failed to add important and historically necessary amendments to our constitution over time. The question of secession one of them.
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