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Eric Holder: Drone strikes against Americans on U.S. soil are legal

March 5, 2013 | 4:09 pm | Modified: March 5, 2013 at 5:00 pm

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Attorney General Eric Holder can imagine a scenario in which it would be constitutional to carry out a drone strike against an American on American soil, he wrote in a letter to Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky.

“It is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States,” Holder replied in a letter yesterday to Paul’s question about whether Obama “has the power to authorize lethal force, such as a drone strike, against a U.S. citizen on U.S. soil, and without trial.”

Paul condemned the idea. “The U.S. Attorney General’s refusal to rule out the possibility of drone strikes on American citizens and on American soil is more than frightening – it is an affront the Constitutional due process rights of all Americans,” he said in a statement.

Holder noted that Paul’s question was “entirely hypothetical [and] unlikely to occur,” but cited the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks as the type of incidents that might provoke such a response.

“Were such an emergency to arise, I would examine the particular facts and circumstances before advising the President on the scope of his authority,” he concluded.

Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, an attorney and Judiciary Committee member, told The Washington Examiner last month that the drone policy so far outlined by the administration is too vague.

“That has the potential to swallow the rule,” Lee said after the drone program white paper was leaked. “If you’re going to regard somebody as presenting an imminent threat of an attack on the U.S. simply because you have concluded that they are an ‘operational leader’ or they are involved in planning an attack in one way or another, you find yourself giving way to much discretion to the government.”

Lee said that the White House should release the formal legal analysis underpinning the drone program. “We know that in some instances where the government has released its legal analysis, it gets it wrong,” he said.

 

With the separate buildup of an Obama army with the materials of war being bought and stored outside of the reach and control of the Pentagon, it is incumbent upon We the People to move to  protect ourselves from an armed invasion by our own government. The war of the 21st Century "IRONY" is about to begin.

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Comment by PHILIP SCHNEIDER on March 8, 2013 at 8:26pm

Can a 30-06 take down a drone? Have the tests been done?

Comment by Gordon Ray Kissinger on March 7, 2013 at 5:25am

Sen. Ted Cruz Q&A with Attorney General Eric Holder - 03/06/2013

Ted Cruz makes Holder tow the line and shows just how thick Holder is! Holder is the drone!
During a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing today on Capitol Hill, Texas Senator Ted Cruz heavily questioned Attorney General Eric Holder about the Department of Justice position on drones, enforcing the law and Operation Fast and Furious

Comment by Gordon Ray Kissinger on March 6, 2013 at 8:44pm

OBAMA DEATH DRONES CREATING FEAR AMONG AMERICANS

By NWV News Writer Jim Kouri

Posted 1:00 AM Eastern
March 4, 2013
© 2013 NewsWithViews.com

The Department of Justice memo, titled “Lawfulness of a Lethal Operation Directed Against a U.S. Citizen who is a Senior Operation Leader of al-Qaeda or An Associated Force,” that was obtained by the Fox News Channel's chief national security correspondent Catherine Herridge, defines drone attacks on U.S. citizens who were involved in violent attacks as being legal.

According to Herridge, the memo states: “The condition that an operational leader present an ‘imminent’ threat of violent attack against the United States does not require the United States to have clear evidence that a specific attack on U.S. persons and interests will take place in the immediate future.”

This latest revelation has created an outpouring for complaints regarding citizens' constitutional protections against illegal search and seizure, Fifth Amendment protection, and other issues. "What scares many Americans on both sides of the political spectrum is the use of these drones to not only conduct surveillance operations stateside but also to use them to kill terrorist suspects who are citizens without due process," said Mike Baker, a political strategist.

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) appears prepared to allow the use of unmanned aerial vehicles within the United States, by both law enforcement agencies and private citizens, with practically no restrictions.

Experts predict that by the end of the decade, there will be about 30,000 drones flying over the United States. Legislators in at least eleven states want to impose limits on the use of UAVs as worries grow that the unregulated use of drones would erode the liberties of Americans, according to Homeland Security News Wire.

Law enforcement agencies primarily use smaller versions of what many like to call Predator drones, which the military and CIA utilize in war zones. The non-military versions are used by local law enforcement for surveillance, search-and-rescue missions, to monitor traffic and even help with crowd control. While their use is now primarily for surveillance, there is concern that one day deadly weapons could be mounted onto domestic drones. However, non-lethal weaponry including rubber bullets, laser projectiles and tear gas is more likely should police agencies wish to use their UAS offensively, according to former police chief and security director Joseph Wheeler.

Unmanned aerial systems appear to be all the rage within the law enforcement and military communities, especially since they do not carry a pilot on board, but instead operate on pre-programmed routes and by following commands from pilot-operated ground stations. But members of House of Representatives decided to investigate its uses -- especially its domestic uses by federal, state and local law enforcement -- as well as its impact on civil liberties, according to a Government Accountability Officereport released on Sept. 14, 2012.

UAS can be small, generally 55 pounds or less, or large, such as unmanned helicopters. The GAO noted that current domestic uses include law enforcement, forest fire monitoring, border security, weather research, and scientific data collection. And while current uses are limited, that is likely to change under the Obama administration.

As the nation moves closer to sequestration -- across-the-board budget cuts to the military, intelligence agencies and law enforcement departments -- Unmanned Aerial Systems may become more and more useful in maintaining a certain degree of security, according to former police commander Charles Nettinger, now a security consultant.

"Two or three unmanned aerial vehicles will be able to monitor entire cities even during the darkest nights. If need be, weapons systems could be mounted on them, but that isn't a desirable outcome," Nettinger said.

The Federal Aviation Administration authorizes UAS use on a case-by-case basis after conducting a safety review. FAA and the other federal agencies that have a role or interest in UAS are working to provide routine access for UAS into the national airspace system, according to the 49-page GAO report.

Progress has been made, but additional work is needed to overcome many of the obstacles to the safe integration of UAS that the GAO first identified in 2008. At that time, the GAO analysts reported that "UAS could not meet the aviation safety requirements developed for manned aircraft and that this posed several obstacles to safe and routine operation in the national airspace system."

The GAO analysts also noted: "These obstacles still exist and include the inability for UAS to sense and avoid other aircraft and airborne objects in a manner similar to manned aircraft; vulnerabilities in the command and control of UAS operations; the lack of technological and operational standards needed to guide safe and consistent performance of UAS; and final regulations to accelerate the safe integration of UAS into the national airspace system."

The U.S. Congress set specific requirements and deadlines in its FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012 for FAA to safely accelerate UAS integration. FAA has begun making progress toward completing those requirements, but has missed one deadline and could miss others. Many of the requirements entail significant work, including completing planning efforts and issuing a final rule for small UAS. Most of the requirements are to be achieved by December 2015.

Concerns about privacy are far from being resolved and may influence acceptance of routine access for UAS in the national airspace system. The Department of Homeland Security's Transportation Security Administration has the authority to regulate security of all modes of transportation, including non-military (local police, fire, border patrol, and emergency management) UAS.

Meanwhile, Americans' privacy concerns include the potential for increased amounts of government surveillance using technologies placed on UAS, the collection and use of such data, and potential violations of constitutional Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable search and seizures.

Currently, no federal agency has specific statutory responsibility to regulate privacy matters relating to UAS for the entire federal government. Some lawmakers believe that the Department of Homeland Security or the Department of Justice (DOJ) might be better positioned to address privacy issues since they generally stem from the operational uses of UAS for governmental surveillance and law enforcement purposes.

"However, many Americans may find the DHS and DOJ too politicized for such power and decision-making," said police sergeant Stanley McLaughlin, who's worked as a police aviation instructor.

"People -- myself included -- may be adverse to the use of 'eyes in the sky' being controlled by agencies that are engulfed in investigations into their alleged corruption or misconduct," said McLaughlin.

 


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